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John Eldredge Said What?

October 31, 2011

“One afternoon, just after a classmate said something particularly hurtful to him, Blaine returned to his room and slumped onto his bed, about as low as a young man can get. He looked over to his desk, and “saw” Jesus sitting there, in his desk chair, a smile on his face. He was wearing a pirate hat. Then he disappeared. A whiff of the Emmaus road.

Now, experiencing Jesus doesn’t have to be dramatic. Sometimes it is, but not always. When you think of all those days the disciples spent with Jesus, just walking here and there or reclining at the table, the “big-time” miracles actually account for a small portion of those three years. There was just a lot of ordinary living. Jesus comes here too. In a tulip, a smile, a cup of coffee, the night sky.” – John Eldredge, Beautiful Outlaw, 2011.

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“I was going to call this book Jesus of a Thousand Hearts, because of the way he continually breaks into my life. He “speaks” to me through hearts. I’ll find stones in the shape of hearts in rivers where I’m fishing. I’ve seen them almost step-by-step up a mountainside when on a grueling climb. Praying in the morning I’ll look out the window and passing by will be a heart-shaped cloud. Dinner rolls, seashells, stains on my jeans. I’ve won the lottery when it comes to hearts from Jesus. But I am ashamed to admit that last summer, I grew a little impatient with them. I was going through a trying time and seeking God for the answer to many questions. Often, he would simply give me a heart in reply. I’d be walking down the sidewalk, and there in the cement see a heart-shaped hole, made by a bubble when they poured the sidewalk.

I actually grew a little dismissive of them. I didn’t want hearts—I wanted answers.

So, Jesus stopped giving these treasures of our friendship.

Last fall, while walking through an alpine meadow bow hunting, I was asking him, How come you don’t give me hearts anymore? I asked it in a pouting kind of way. At that moment something gray caught my eye. I looked down midstride, and there in the grass, about as big as a dinner plate, was a dried piece of cow manure—in the perfect shape of a heart.

If I didn’t know Jesus adores me, if I didn’t know he is playful, and if our relationship didn’t allow me to receive a playful tease, I might have misinterpreted the icon. But I loved it. It was both, Oh, so now you want a heart? and, I adore you still. A cow-pie heart. That is so Jesus. Wish I’d taken a photo of it—we could have put it on the cover of this book.” – John Eldredge, Beautiful Outlaw, 2011.

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Perry Noble Said What?

July 2, 2011

“In response to my post yesterday…I’ve been thinking about the way that I, as a pastor, often respond to negative things I happen to hear about other pastors and ministries.

I began thinking…

#1 – What if pastors sought to pray for other pastors rather than tear them down?

We criticize and condemn others because of insecurity in our own lives…and the more we find wrong with others the more our personal insecurities are revealed.

BUT….WHAT IF we, upon hearing negative talk, we hit our knees for the person being talked about? What if we prayed for any untruth of what we’ve heard to be burned away? What if we prayed that if the rumor is true that God, in His mercy, would get the pastors attention and call him to repentance?

#2 – What if pastors began to realize that God is not limited to a particular formula of doing church?

One of the reasons that we, as pastors, attempt to tear down others is because they aren’t doing things the way we think they should be done.

In the earlier days of NewSpring my arrogance caused me to think and proclaim that we were actually doing church “right” and that others were wrong…now I am realizing there is no right and wrong way. The questions that need to be asked are–#1 – Are people being saved? And…#2 – Are people taking their next step in their journey with Christ?

NewSpring is a way of doing church–not THE way…and it takes different types of churches to reach different types of people. AND…I am WAY comfortable with that.

#3 – What if pastors truly celebrated the success of others rather than saying, “Yes, they are doing a good job over there–but I heard…”

I want other churches and ministries to be successful–period.

Several years ago whenever I would hear about someone’s success I would try my best to find a nugget of information that would make them look bad. Sort of like, “Yeah, they are reaching a lot of people–but how many of them are REALLY growing?”

Lately I have came to realize that God blesses churches in different ways…and that when He does I need to celebrate it rather than speaking against it. Once again, the only reason a pastor cannot celebrate the success of others is insecurity (and jealousy as well!)

#4 – What if pastors did not allow other pastors to criticize other pastors/ministries in front of them?

Seriously, what if we were willing to lay the smack down and say, “Hey bro…what you are doing right now the Bible actually calls slander…stop it!”

Pastor Steven Furtick had some awesome things to say about this here…awesome stuff!

#5 – What if pastors spent more time trying to learn from those who are different from them rather than trying to discredit their ministry?

I have a philosophy of ministry that I used to not have–here it is, I can learn something valuable from any ministry that God is blessing–period!

I want to learn from people who do ministry differently than me…and it is amazing to me how stupid and insecure pastors and church leaders are when it comes to this.

For example–anytime I mention TD Jakes or Joel Osteen on this website we have idiots e-mail in with their “concerns” about issues in regards to their theology or teaching style. (As if the person e-mailing is perfect and has it all figured out!)

BUT, I’ve said it before and I will say it again…I have an incredible amount of respect for both of those men. God is blessing their ministries in an incredible way…and I know there are tons of things that I could learn from them. Just because you are trying to learn something from someone doesn’t mean that you believe exactly like them!

(And for those who feel like you can only learn from just like you…please repent to God for being shallow and ridiculous!)

By the way–I’ve had the privilege of meeting Joel…but haven’t gotten to have lunch with Bishop Jakes yet…if anyone can make that connection I would be much obliged!!! 🙂 (I’m serious!)

#6 – What if pastors spent more time focusing on God’s Word and their own church rather than attempting to be watchdogs of everyone else’s ministry?

Dang…that was good…even if I say so myself!!!

I’ve got to be honest…I really don’t have time to tear down the ministry efforts of others. Seriously, I’ve got enough to be concerned about in trying to be a good husband, father and pastor. The day I have the time to rip apart other people’s ministry is the day that my ministry will be fruitless and dead.

(That’s the only way I would have the time…you see, if a vineyard is producing fruit then you really don’t have the time to peak at the perceived fruitfulness–or unfruitfulness–of others.)

I once heard TD Jakes say, “The problem with most pastors is that they never leave the locker room–they always feel the need to compare!”  WHEW!

Pastors…you and I can experience TRUE freedom when we compare ourselves to our calling and God’s vision for our ministry and NOT the church down the road or across the country!  We will not be held accountable for their ministry–we will be held accountable for ours!  (Hebrews 13:17)” – Perry Noble, Six “What If’s” Pastors Should Wrestle With, http://www.perrynoble.com/2008/04/24/what-if-pastors/, 24/04/2008. (Accessed 03/07/2011)

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Rick Warren Said What?

April 5, 2011

Now another weakness of the church today, when it comes to learning, is that we’re not teaching people to be self feeders. We’re doing all the feeding rather than teaching them how to feed themselves.” – R ick Waren, Desiring God Conference 2010, Rick Warren VS. The Gospel (Part 1 of 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ulHVrobgE: 02:58-03:07, 13/10/2010.

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“The problem today is that we know far more than we’re doing and we’re teaching people too much. We’re teaching them so much we can’t apply it.” –Rick Waren, Desiring God Conference 2010, Rick Warren VS. The Gospel (Part 1 of 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ulHVrobgE: 00:08-00:18, 03:20-00:30, 05:08-05:18, 06:54-07:04, 13/10/2010.

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“I hate it when conference speakers promote their books- and I hate that. But there’s a book you need to teach your congregation. It’s called ‘Warren’s Bible Study Methods’. I wrote it thirty four years ago. It teaches you how to do a systematic bible study; thematic study; how to do a book synthesis; what are the nine steps of chapter analysis; what are the steps on how to do a word study; what are the steps on how to do a biographical study; how do you do a chapter summary.

If you’re going to teach people how to fight the battle for the mind, you must teach them how to let God stretch their imagination.” –Rick Waren, Desiring God Conference 2010, Rick Warren VS. The Gospel (Part 1 of 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ulHVrobgE: 5:30-5:42, 5:48-53, 6:14-6:18, 6:17-6:36, 6:41-6:50, 13/10/2010.

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“It takes more than belief. It takes more than faith to really please God. He says it takes faith that resolves in loving others. Religion without love doesn’t matter. It’s not enough to say, ‘I believe’, or that I even know my purpose. What matters is how I love God and how I love other people. That’s the great commandment.” –Rick Waren, Pirate Christian Radio:  12:11-13:07, 15/02/2011.

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“It’s quite easy for me to justify my prideful judgments of others since Satan is so helpful in suggesting rationalizations.” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/5791264440061952, 12:15:19PM, 20/11/2010.

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“God rewards believers faith even if they are doctrinally off because he loves to bless anyone who loves, obeys, and trusts him” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/6081325303865344, 7:27:55AM, 21/11/2010.

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“To think that trusting Christ takes a LEAP of faith is to misunderstand it. It’s really a logical,rational,intelligent STEP” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/5422200165240835, 11:48:7AM, 19/11/2010.

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“Love is angry at evil. Get angry at rape, abuse, injustice, prejudice, greed, your apathy “But in your anger don’t sin” Eph 4:26” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/3555433914568704, 8:10:00AM, 14/11/2010.

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“Some blogs are just people with no credibility in their own town pretending to be experts & fantasizing everyone listening.” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/3173503792582657, 6:53AM, 13/11/2010.

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“A good leader thinks about the next move. A great leader is thinking about an entire strategy.” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/2968528390983680, 5:18PM, 12/11/2010.

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“Heresy is claiming u follow Christ while attacking fellow believers. Disrespecting God’s family is using God’s name in vain.” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/2812458863427584, 6:58AM, 12/11/2010.

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“The most sensitive nerve in your body connects your heart to your wallet. In giving, many people stop at nothing!” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/2581897154662401, 3:42PM, 11/12/2010.

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“God gave Job DOUBLE for his trouble AFTER he started praying for those who had misjudged & criticized him. See Job 42:10” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/2188531845828608, 1:39PM, 10/11/2010.

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“”In the world,leaders do power plays over others.But your leadership is to be different.U r2 lead by being a servant” Jesus” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/1636359966031872, 01:05AM, 09/11/2010.

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“It’s easy to lead if u can pay & fire people. Real leaders can lead VOLUNTEERS to serve & sacrifice. Pastors do that daily.” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/1631758902628354, 12:46AM, 09/11/2010.

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“Seminars overvalue what business leaders can teach pastors & undervalue what pastors could teach business about leadership” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/1629907859804161, 12:39AM, 02/11/2010.

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“Seeing the situation from God’s perspective is a distinguishing mark of godly leadership in contrast to worldly leadership” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/1628542227980290, 12:24AM, 09/11/2010.

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“Matt13 NOT YOUR JOB to discern the weeds from wheat in God’s field!Dont play God! You should be sowing&cultivating instead!” – Rick Warren, http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/29595288272, 5:31AM, 04/11/2010.